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Annapolis, or the absurdity of postmodern politics

The middle-east conference in the United States is a charade without political substance which Palestinians can and should expose, says Khaled Hroub.


It is not really difficult to discern what the United States hopes to achieve by hosting the conference in Annapolis, Maryland, now scheduled (after much uncertainty over the date) for 27 November 2007. In the same way it is rather easy to figure out what Israel will gain from the fact of this meeting and its own attendance. In a sentence: both Americans and Israelis want this conference to take place for its own sake, without any agreements or declarations having to emerge from it.

In their eyes, simply to hold the meeting is the objective and counts as a success - one that serves several agendas, but not the one that really counts: resolving the historical conflict between the Palestinians and Israel's Zionist project. The key to understanding Annapolis, as so many comparable events in the middle east, can be expressed in Henry Kissinger's "classical" (and ingenuous) formulation: a "peace process" is a substitute for peace itself, and it could take for ever. Annapolis is part of this "process".

In this light, it is really difficult to understand why the Palestinian side is prepared to participate in this surreal event. After all, there is next to total agreement before the event not only among the two main contending sides, but among almost every interested party - that the conference will fail to promote peace. It is a moment for black humour when organisers as well as participants are at pains to curb ambitions, lower expectations and warn against excessive optimism regarding Annapolis - as if anybody who is following events on the ground were to raise ambitions or express any optimism. The misjudgment here seems total. Still, the preparations are underway - for the conference, once declared, cannot be undone. In times like these, traditional criteria of success and failure no longer apply.

Khaled Hroub is director of the Cambridge Arab Media Project in association with the Centre of Middle Eastern and Islamic studies at the University of Cambridge. He is the author of Hamas: Political Thought and Practice (Institute for Palestine Studies, 2000), and Hamas: a Beginner's Guide (Pluto Press, 2006).He is a frequent author for major Arab newspapers such as al-Hayat, as well as openDemocracy

Also by Khaled Hroub in openDemocracy:

"Hamas's path to reinvention" (9 October 2006)

"Palestine's argument: Mecca and beyond" (6 March 2007)

This article is being simultaneously published in the journal of the Heinrich Böll Foundation, by mutual cooperation and kind agreement of the author

A visual triumph

Annapolis thus represents - consciously or unconsciously - one of the great surreal signatures of postmodern politics: a world where images, language and symbols take preference over meaning, content and results. It is an example of how powerful modern states, in their presumptuous handling of the political issues of "others", abandon real politics and adopt what may be describes as postmodern (non-)politics.

Most manifestations of postmodernity - be they political, cultural, literary or social - are impelled by a temptation to escape from the strictures of sequence and logic that are foundational of modern thought. "If A follows B and then arrives at C" - all this can appear very tedious, restrictive of a human creativity which may want to arrive at C without having to pass through B, or may want to set out from A with no intention of even going to Z, ever.

This desire to break out of the prison of rigid logic into a wide open space of expression, a realm of floating meaning no longer concerned with ends and objectives, has catapulted human creativity to dazzling results - in the arts, in literature, in culture.

Not so in politics. Carried away by language and form, and with no regard to content and political realities, such political postmodernism leads to a constant and transparent denial of reality. Thus it becomes possible - in stark contrast to the overwhelming majority of observers, who still apply the standards of "conventional" modern politics - to declare Annapolis a success already, even before it has happened.

The reason such an astonishing act of intellectual legerdemain is possible is that Annapolis is emphatically not about making peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Annapolis is about the image and the representation of the United States in a middle east that is ablaze, locked in a downward spiral of destruction of which Washington is a central agent.

Annapolis is about peddling the image of an American diplomacy committed to addressing the root cause of all the troubles in the middle east - the Palestinian issue - even as the US's political, military and economic efforts are focused on completely different issues (Iraq, Iran, oil, Sudan...). Annapolis convenes "negotiating" parties, Ehud Olmert and Mahmoud Abbas, who have nothing to negotiate about but who are capable of maintaining a smile and handshake for the cameras, and holding meetings to no ends and no results - which the media then reports as, in and by itself, a "creative effort".

Also in openDemocracy on the Palestinians, Israel and Annapolis:

David Mepham, "Hamas and political reform in the middle east" (1 February 2006)

Richard Youngs, "The European Union and Palestine: a new engagement" (28 March 2007)

Mient Jan Faber & Mary Kaldor, "Palestine's human insecurity: a Gaza report" (20 May 2007)

Pierre Schori, "Europe and the Arab world: divided souls" (30 May 2007)

Daniel Seidemann, "Annapolis and the ‘Jerusalem paradigm'" (30 October 2007)

Mariano Aguirre & Mark Taylor, "Annapolis: the conditions of failure" (12 October 2007)

These individuals differ on every substantial political matter and are unable even to agree on a common statement of the problem; but in their domestic weakness, their inability to deliver anything, they resemble each other. On this foundation, Annapolis will build an extravagant visual media performance whose profusion of hollow imagery disguises its evasion of and indifference to a myriad of issues on the ground.

A political choice

The postmodern absurdity of Annapolis would be incomplete without enlisting the Palestinians, who are being led along (and goaded) like a herd of cattle. The sheer magnitude of the event and its set-up has a cumulative psychological effect: it makes the Palestinians feel they would carry another great global and "historical" responsibility if they were to say what they really think - that they will not go to a conference which is a failure even before it starts, and which anyway is more concerned with regional objectives than with the Palestinian cause.

In the eyes of the world, any attempt to escape from this scenario will be turned into another "historical irresponsibility": once more, the Palestinians are the reason for the failure of peace in the middle east! But aside from any desire to deflect such accusations, what is the logic of the Palestinians' presence? After all:

* Israel declares openly that it will not discuss any of the essential issues at the conference; and yet the Palestinians are going

* Israel declares that it wants the conference to confirm that its security is more important than a Palestinian state (and of course than the Palestinian people); and yet the Palestinians are going

* Israel wants all Arab countries to be present in the conference, in a new bid to "normalise" relations with them and create the impression that what happens "over there" in the middle east is but a small diversion on a long and laborious regional agenda; and yet the Palestinians are going.

Ehud Olmert has said a lot over recent weeks to confirm the image of the conference projected to the world: that it will restart the negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis, though reaching a comprehensive solution of the conflict may take a long time, perhaps thirty to forty years; and that the conflict is complicated and should not be expected to be resolved in one conference or within a definite timeframe. The Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni launched into more extreme, rightwing litanies, in hope to curry populist favour in future elections.

All of this is in striking harmony with the postmodern signature of Annapolis, its lack of any content. Even more amazing, all of it has come in the form of statements geared to "clarify" Israel's position towards the conference. But why do Israelis and Palestinians need a global conference to restart negotiations, if that is what Olmert wants? Why are Ehud Olmert and Mahmoud Abbas meeting in Jerusalem, on a regular (and televised) basis, if not to keep the "peace process" going?

There is only one way out of this postmodern daze: a clear Palestinian refusal to attend a conference devoid of any substance. The Palestinians need a courageous decision from their leadership that sets the record straight. The Palestinians cannot afford to lose time and effort in conferences that are just for show, while their situation deteriorates, their rights are lost, and their blood is spilled on a daily basis.

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Michael T Sager said:



Thu, 2007-11-22 19:20
So, back to the Three Nos again?

eric_5 said:



Thu, 2007-11-22 20:13
It may end as just posturing, but the aim is clearly to legitimize the settlements and make them part of Israel 'proper'.

hdwyrain said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 02:26
The Palestinians are being led along (and goaded) by the extremists who control Palestinian politics. They are the ones who are not interested in peace. The top of their agenda is not peace with Israel just its obliteration from the map of the Middle East. Arafat, the father of modern terrorism, could have had 90% of what the Palestinians need - it was on the table at Camp David but he demanded all or nothing. The Palestinian extremists are not interested in the Palestinian people except as instruments to drive their agenda. The Palestinian firing rockets daily at Israeli towns is a good indication of their intentions. As I have said many times before - if the Palestinians stopped acting the Israelis would stop reacting. Perhaps then too Khaled Hroub could stop wringing his hands and use them to write something with a basis in truth. I cannot understand why America keeps getting involved when all they receive in return for their time and billions of dollars is opprobrium. It is far past time when the countries of the world started minding their own business and having as much care for their own people as they do for undeserving foreigners.

dominikwach said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 08:09
Mr Hroub, I've readed many of your articles and I'm happy that this one is the same like previous ones - very good. I must agree with you, the Annapolis is just a media game, which is trying to show the world that US administration is doing something good with ISR-PAL conflict. Also, Annapolis "conference" looks like Camp David 2000, because no one is ready for peace, but everyone (Bush, Olmert and Abbas) need some kind of success (in Camp David Clinton wanted to do something before end of his presidency). And if conference fails (it surely will) everyone will blame Palestinians again (like in Camp David). To hdwyrain - please don't write things like this about Camp David, because you dont know that ISR offer to Arafat only few % of what they wanted and deserved. Unfortunately you forgot about UN Res. 242 and 338, you forgot about refugge right to return, about illegal israeli settlements etc. Camp David was a fake, like comming Annapolis conference. They gave nothing to Arafat and they blame him for this. Follow the international law and you'll know why Palestinians do what they do. You want Palestinians to respect the law, maybe Israelis should do the same?

Michael T Sager said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 17:27
Resolution 242 did not say that the cease fire line from 48 (the so called 67 borders caused by Jordan's anexation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem) ) should be an international boundary. It said that there should be secure borders and withdrawal from territories (not all territories)

Michael T Sager said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 08:36
The article seems to me to be characteristic of an almost stereotypical Arab, often Palestinean, who (from a comfortable position, usually academc or media in the West) want to condemn the Palestineans to another 50 years of poverty and desparation based on impeccable but useless logic. The Palestineans are almost hopelessly weak in reality: what little power they have comes from their ability to exploit their victimhood. But they can only get somewhere by engaging wherever and whenever they can, haggle over every 1% of the West Bank, read the small print (Arafat never could do that), get every dollar they can of aid and spend it on institutions (not terror weapons). In fact, copy theJewish playbook for the creation of Israel.

eric_5 said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 16:04
Exactly, so all Israel/America is playing for is legal sanitization of Israel's colonization of Palestine. Maybe a Palestinian 'leader' can be persuaded to sign away Occupied Territory to reduce, or put an end to, these slightly annoying requests to comply with international law.

ai_1 said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 22:30
The author is absolutely spot on: Annapolis will be a farce. Everybody knows what is the only possible solution to the conflict: two states, along roughly the 1967 borders (with Israeli settlers evacuated to Israel proper), both with capital in different parts of Jerusalem, and each sorting the problem of its refugees in its own territory. There is simply no other solution because this is the only scenario that will safeguard the minimal aspirations of both national projects. But, equally, neither political elite has the courage to tell its own people the truth – and here, for reasons of political situation, Olmert is significantly more to blame than Abbas. It is more convenient to wrap yourself in victimhood and even more convenient always to blame the other side and put forward impossible demands and shopping lists. Frankly, neither side has just now the political, emotional and moral resources to snap out of this mindset. The only hope can come from external pressure, applied fairly and consistently to both sides. Except that in the current world political landscape, such scenario is even less likely.

eric_5 said:



Fri, 2007-11-23 23:29
The solution that is being pursued by Israel/America is consolidating the territorial gains and, if possible, extending them. What are the drawbacks from Israel's point of view? Palestinian armed resistance has been reduced to neglible proportions. The Wall is in place. Why should Israel change course?

dominikwach said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 22:08
Quote:
Resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 The Security Council, Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East, Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security, Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter, 1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force; 2. Affirms further the necessity (a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area; (b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem; (c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones; 3. Requests the Secretary-General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution; 4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible. Adopted unanimously at the 1382nd meeting.
Michael T Sager - if you want to tell me that "withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict" doesn't mean to pull out all kind of IDF forces from West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip (and other Arab territories) you will have to tell me what does it mean. I know that some Israelis want to think your way, but it's stupid and there is no argument for that. Israel should have 1967 boundaries or those from Res. 181 (II) [Res. 181 (II) was against UN Charter! but nobody want to remember that there should be only one Palestinian/Arab state with Jewish minority].

Michael T Sager said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 20:20
It does not say all territories (this was discussed at the time and agreed it did not mean this) but territories. Tell me, where is the mention of the 67 boundary in the text? Sorry, you may want it to say this: but it just doesn't! By the way, why is 'all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area' not respected by most Arab countries? it's not conditional: it's clear and uncondiitonal. And in 47 the UN wanted two states, one for Jews and one for Arabs; a proposition not accepted by most Arab countries. As a result the Palestineans lost their state: not to Israel but to the invading Egyption and Jordanian armies.

dominikwach said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 22:10
1. It's nonsense. I can't understand how you can believe in such a stupid theory! It's not necessary to say "all" territories, it's normal for whole world (maybe almost whole) that when you steal something you must give it back, and not part of it, the whole thing. Is it so hard to understand? 2. You're asking where is the mention about '67 boundary - firstly I hope that you understand that I'm talking about pre war boundaries, secondly you forgot about this:
Quote:
...respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force...
Before the war UN recognized that boundaries and West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip were not in state called Israel. 3. Why Arab countries don't respect "secure and recognized boundaries"? It's easy. Because creation of Israel in the base of UN Res. 181 (II) was illegal. UN have no right to create a state. Please read UN Charter and maybe J.Quigley The Case For Palestine. An International Law Review. You'll find there something about history of Palestine, about UN resolutions and who broke the international law firstly.

eric_5 said:



Sat, 2007-11-24 22:25
The partition of Palestine was a proposal, not a final solution. Jewish terrorists murdered the UN negotiator, Count Bernadotte, and no agreement was reached. The Jewish State was created by terrorism and brute force.

Michael T Sager said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 08:00
.Re It's nonsense. I can't understand how you can believe in such a stupid theory! It's not necessary to say "all" territories I'm sorry but obviously you do not have a good command of English. if I say to a child "I will give you coloured sweets" I mean that all the sweets I give you are coloured. If I want the child to have every coloured sweet I say " I will give you all (or every) coloured sweet." or "I will give you the coloured sweets" There is also a pincipal in law that to clarify a text you review the circumstances of its creation, So I quote Lord Carrington, one of 242's principal authors. 'Knowing as I did the unsatisfactory nature of the 1967 line, I wasn’t prepared to use wording in the Resolution that would have made that line permanent. Nonetheless, it is necessary to say again that the overwhelming principle was the ‘inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war’ and that meant that there could be no justification for the annexation of territory on the Arab side of the 1967 line merely because it had been conquered in the 1967 war. The sensible way to decide permanent ‘secure and recognized’ boundaries would be to set up a Boundary Commission and hear both sides and then to make impartial recommendations for a new frontier line, bearing in mind, of course, the "inadmissibility" principle. The purposes are perfectly clear, the principle is stated in the preamble, the necessity for withdrawal is stated in the operative section. And then the essential phrase which is not sufficiently recognized is that withdrawal should take place to secure and recognized boundaries, and these words were very carefully chosen: they have to be secure and they have to be recognized. They will not be secure unless they are recognized. And that is why one has to work for agreement. This is essential. I would defend absolutely what we did. It was not for us to lay down exactly where the border should be. I know the 1967 border very well. It is not a satisfactory border, it is where troops had to stop in 1947, just where they happened to be that night, that is not a permanent boundary'

Michael T Sager said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 08:03
Re creation of Israel in the base of UN Res. 181 (II) was illegal. UN have no right to create a state Well, sometimes according to you the UN acts illegally (181) and sometimes legally (242) Please make up your mind so we can continue!!!!.

Michael T Sager said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 08:12
My original point has been well illustrated by the responses. Obsessing about the morality or legality of what happened 60 or 40 years ago is preventing the peace process moving forward and condemning the Palestineans to a bad future. The Arab leaders who took a pragmatic approach (Jordan and Egypt) and unburdened themselves from history have negotiated mutually satisfactory treaties with Israel. My humble proposition is that the PA do the same at Anapolis Bye

dominikwach said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 09:04
1. UN resolutions are write not only in English. 2. Maybe my English is not perfect (it is not), but what I wrote is not only my opinion. Try to read something else than Jewish and pro Jewish books. 3. As I sayed before, read J. Quigley book for example, read GB white papers, read UN Charter, maybe you will understand what I'm talking about. 4. Without history you'll not build a good future. I know that it's easier for Jews and pro Jewish people to forget about refugees, about what is and what should be Palestinian, about water resources, about occupation, Jewish setlements, about international law... it's easier to forget and make something new because Israel is the owner now. Try to remember what Jews done after WWII, Israel was establish because of holocaust not because of law and justice. Without justice there will never be peace. Bye

Michael T Sager said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 09:19
No-one would be more happy than me to have a democratic, prosperous and above all peaceful Palestine alongside Israel. Israel to me is a legitimate country, a homeland for Jews, whether they lived there for generations, whether they came as voluntary immigrants, or were forced from their homes by the Holocaust or hostile Arab regimes. And so I also believe in a Palestine as a homeland and as justice for the Palestineans. But I am horrified by the staleness and selective reading of history that messes up their case and the effectiveness of their negotiating position.

Michael T Sager said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 09:38
Re The partition of Palestine was a proposal, not a final solution. Jewish terrorists murdered the UN negotiator, Count Bernadotte, and no agreement was reached. The Jewish State was created by terrorism and brute force. This is what actually happened November 29, 1947 UN passes 181 to partition Palestine after Britain leaves into Jewish and Arab states plus an international administration for Jerusalem May 14, 1948 Israel declares independance as Britain leaves Next day Arab armies invade Israel June 28 1948 Bernadotte proposes Jerusalem be placed under Jordanian rule, whose army occupies it Sept. 17, 1948 Bernadotte assassinated byJewish militants (I'm being politically correct here since one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist) Between 6 January and July 20 1949 Armistice (ceasefire) agreements made between Israel and invading Arab countries: now known as the Green Line or 67 line. Arab countries continue to occupy land originally designated for the Palestinean Arab state, plus the Old City of Jerusalem originally designated to be under international administration May 11, 1949 Israel admitted to UN

dominikwach said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 11:21
My last post here: I'm happy that you want independent Palestine but: "a homeland for Jews, whether they lived there for generations, whether they came as voluntary immigrants, or were forced from their homes by the Holocaust or hostile Arab regimes" - It was homeland for Jews, that's right, but homeland doesn't mean independent state. League of Nations wanted to establish there a state, one state for people who lived there for generations (with Jewish minority). You must remember that most Jews (I think that more than 80%) didn't, they came from Eastern Europe, and they uproot Palesinians from their land where they lived for generations. - Jews from "alijas" mostly were not voluntaries. Voluntaries/Zionists came there before 1920 and there were no problem with that. Problems started when hundred thousands of Jews came there because USA and GB didn't let them to emigrate there and pull them to Palestine. The same situation where with Jews from Arab countries. They were terrorised by their own people. Jewish terrorist organizations bomb their houses in Bagdad for example, but it's easier to say that bad Arabs did that. "Bernadotte assassinated byJewish militants" - those "militians" were from Lehi, the terrorist organization which became part of IDF. And who is talking about selective reading of history... Once again, please read J.Quigley book, it's in english, published by Duke University Press, and maybe read "Plan D" (also know as Plan Daleth).

eric_5 said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 13:43
The past is still very much with us. Israel's crimes continue on a daily basis and haven't faded into the pages of history.

eric_5 said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 13:48
Israel was a proposal for a state, not a state. Armies can't invade a proposal. Apparently, a proposal can be admitted to the UN, if the Americans are in favour. Decisions favoured by America take precedence. A Palestinian state could have been admitted to the UN long ago, if the Americans had wanted one.

Michael T Sager said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 16:55
Re; The same situation where with Jews from Arab countries. They were terrorised by their own people. Jewish terrorist organizations bomb their houses in Bagdad for example, but it's easier to say that bad Arabs did that. I find it very hard to believe that all the approximately 600,000 Jews who left Arab lands in the 1950s did so because of Jewish terrorism against their own people. I've heard these allegations from pro-Palestinean sources before, but have never seen any evidence. Do you have any independant, verifiable proof for this statement? like a few specific instances?

abdulksaida said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 17:10
israelis leaves only some of arab lands and still their are many living and that israel encourage them to travel as to colonize palestine and give them more land and israel gave them money to leave and discuss that with them in arab states. till now they are encouraging any person whom his mother is jewish to go to israel and settle their even if he never heard or live their or even born, while we are the refugees whom even born in palestine till now are forbidden to go to our homelands and live their in dignity as also palestinians now in gaza are surrenderd and yesterday 2 men was shot to dead in cold blood and also one old man 60 years was beaten to death in one wall. Is that a democratic and respectable state ?

Michael T Sager said:



Sun, 2007-11-25 21:17
Re: Israel was a proposal for a state, not a state. Armies can't invade a proposal. Apparently, a proposal can be admitted to the UN, if the Americans are in favour. I just do not understand what you are refererring to by a 'proposal'. Resolution 181 said 'Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948.' Nor by your comment about the US alone deciding. Regarding admission of Israel to the UN - the General Assembly voted, 37 to 12.. Regarding the original resolution 181, the Soviet Union, its allies, and many others also voted for it. The voting was as follows: In favour: 33 Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela. Against: 13 Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen. Abstained: 10 Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.

ai_1 said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 00:00
There is long tradition of using history in national conflicts, choosing-and-picking convenient facts not to illuminate but to spin. We can see here ample examples, in a nasty manner, laced with underlying racist overtones, more characteristic of Guardian's "Comment is Free" than of OpenDemocracy. It will not help any professional hater and any extremist, bigot and fundamentalist: Both Israelis and Palestinians exist, as nations and as national projects. No amount of gritted teeth or hate are going to change it. neither Israelis nor Palestinians can be wished away and neither (I hope) can be exterminated. Which leaves two and only two options. Either the continuation of present impasse, in which Israelis suffer to some extent, Palestinians suffer a great deal and both polities are blighted and brutalised, or to seek lasting accommodation. And anybody with any knowledge of the situation on the ground and of the limits of both sides to meet the aspirations of the other side mid-way knows what are the outlines of the only possible solution. Regardless of the presence or absence of "the" in 242. Anybody arguing against the only possible compromise, anybody spinning history to further their own prejudice, is an enemy of both Israelis and Palestinians.

eric_5 said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 08:33
The UN resolution was a package, including a Jewish, Arab state and separate Jerusalem. By unilaterally declaring independence and ethnically cleansing Arabs, the Zionist movement. violated the UN process. The United States, as a veto power can, and does, pre-empt or block any Security Council measure intended to bring Israel into compliance with international law.

eric_5 said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 08:35
The process of Israel's colonization of Palestine continues and so it is misleading to talk of an impasse.

Michael T Sager said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 10:55
Re The UN resolution was a package This is a strange comment. The UN says there shoudl be a Jewish state when the British leave. Then the British leave. Then Israel declares itself a Jewish state. Then it is admitted to the UN. Sounds kosher (if you'll excuse the pun) to me! I've reread 181 and did not see anything about prerequisites or corequisites. Perhaps you could show me where such conditions are written in the text?

Michael T Sager said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 13:12
Re:The article seems to me to be characteristic of an almost stereotypical Arab, often Palestinean, who (from a comfortable position, usually academc or media in the West) Am I I not fantastic! I posted the above a couple of days ago. Only today I thought to check on the author. Here he is 'Khaled Hroub is director of the Cambridge Arab Media Project in association with the Centre of Middle Eastern and Islamic studies at the University of Cambridge. ' Nailed him!!!

eric_5 said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 14:36
Obviously, the Jewish state is the apple of your eye and you are blind to everything else. The UN resolution was for an Arab State a Jewish State and a separate Jerusalem. It was not a licence for a unilateral declaration of independence by Zionists with permission to ethnically cleanse Arabs.

eric_5 said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 14:42
The concentration camps to which Israel has confined the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank are places of hellish oppression where even minimum conditions for a normal life are lacking and advanced scholarship would be a miracle.

ayeaye said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 21:25
You are right in saying that we are claiming this conference a success before it has even started, and it is true that the multiple conferences of the past have hardly brought many fruitful results, but the fact that this conference is taking place at all is certainly something to be pleased about. It is a conference long overdue. Now with the Wall built and the Palestinian territories squeezed into what can only be described as a prison, there is urgent need for talks and action. No one, no State condones this Wall, and I hope that the negotiations may bring some results that makes this impossible situation- for it is seriously impossible, somehwat better. While the conferences of the past have only been followed by increasing violence and oppression, they have set certain things in motion: the creation of the Palestinian Authority, the recognition of Israel and the increasingy potency of the 2-state solution, wheels have been set in motion. I may be optimistic, but it is the only thing one can be. I may be far removed (physically, geographically) from this situation, but everyone in the world is now embroiled in what seems to be a factory of hatred, distrust and outrage. We all need to be working towards a pacific solution.

eric_5 said:



Mon, 2007-11-26 22:00
This is a slight inconvenience which is can be addressed by getting some tame Palestinian 'statesmen' to sign away the Palestinian territory on which the Wall is built.

Kataphraktes said:



Wed, 2007-11-28 01:29
This question is for eric_5: Your position is clear on Israel (you hate it). What do you propose be done? This website is thought-provoking and interesting but it never ceases to amaze me with the characters it hosts. I would venture a guess that the majority here are from Western nations, as is evidenced by all the anti-americanism, anti-defence postures and good old-fashioned post-WW2 self-loathing. What would you propose be done? A return to the Age of Aquarius that was the pre-1948 Middle East? Just give the Arabs what they want and everything will go away? My good sir, it's not that easy in the real world. Were you to give the Palestinians everything they wanted, Hamas or Hizbullah or the current terrorist flavor of the month would focus its attention on the next intractable problem--say, the Kurds or Coptic Christians in Egypt. There are places in this world where history is a living burden for its occupants...

eric_5 said:



Wed, 2007-11-28 18:00
I'm afraid your perception is clouded by irrational prejudice whose source, I would guess, is pro-Semitic racism. In any case, I find it discreditable that 'hatred' should be so facilely brought up to explain opposition to Israel's crimes. No just solution can succeed because the US, with all its economic, military and diplomatic power is blocking the path to peace and fostering Israel's colonization of Palestine. In the long term, I would foresee two possiblities. Firstly, a nuclear incident might concentrate minds sufficiently for the survivors, if any, to review their priorities. More hopefully, the Jewish state may simply evolve, through the weight of non-Jewish immigrants, the exodus of Jews to other homelands and the sheer commonsense of economic union with the rest of Palestine into a normal, democratic state.

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